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Authorities Identify Andre Maurice Hill as Black Man Killed by Adam Coy, Columbus Cop With History (thedailybeast.com)

Horrific Body Cam Footage Shows Fatal Police Shooting of Andre Hill​

The victim, who was holding a cell phone, was identified on the same day as the funeral for Casey Goodson, a 23-year-old Black man killed by a local sheriff’s deputy.

Adam Coy, the officer who carried out the shooting, has a remarkably dense history of complaints against him, including a 2012 excessive force case that led to a $45,000 city payout to a victim.

The Police Chief now says Coy should be fired - ya thnk???

columbus dispatch photo

Here are the "garbage social justice warriors" just out for internet fame and glory protesting in his neighborhood on a freezing day with their kids.

 

[DiminutiveRocker]

They had a piece on 60 minutes on "exited delirium" - a catch-all term used in death cases (like George Floyd) and to justify giving Ketamine shots to control people they are arresting. It was given to poor Elijah McClain (2x the dose for his weight), he died 3 days later. He was the kid who played violin for rescued kittens.

Excited Delirium: The controversial syndrome that can be used to protect police from misconduct charges - 60 Minutes - CBS News

I saw that - I am still reeling with grief.

 

[barnswallow]

I'm putting this in this thread because I think it has BLM relevance but, if you think it better belongs elsewhere on this site, I'm okay with moving it. I don't want to diminish this thread, if that's what this post does.

Among the videos youtube individualizes to my viewing history when I open the website, I saw an interview with Morris Day [Morris Day Remembers Prince and His Last Days..., a 15 minute interview], loaded 4 days ago. I didn't watch it when I saw the publisher was FOX Soul.

I wonder if you all have an opinion about media sites and oligopoly and manipulation. I resent anything related to Fox and the Murdoch empire because I so resent their political propagandizing. I don't want to play any part in their putrescent mindset. To me, watching their subsidiary off-shoots normalizes the FOX brand. Without first-hand info (since I avoid watching Fox News), doesn't Fox take positions that demonize BLM demonstrations, for example those that arose after George Floyd's murder? And, that have supported D T----, racist-in-chief?

I duck-duck-go'ed Fox Soul and saw "Fox Television Stations is rolling out Fox Soul, a live, streaming, ad-supported streaming channel aimed at African American viewers. That's from a website Deadline - 'Fox Soul, a new streaming service, targets African-American viewers'.

Do you have an opinion (aside from observing my hypocrisy in using YouTube which, as a Google subsidiary, fits my objection to oligopolies, in that I oppose their data mining without my permission and their having the potential to use that info for nefarious purposes and profiling, to which I also object)?

 

[poppy]

^ I dunno. This thread started being about signs, although you did put a Tamir Rice link in the OP. Then, life ensued and we had more murders of black citizens by police. So clearly we need a Black Lives Matter thread to post the ongoing deaths, and update cases. In my view, data mining is a side topic but I don't mind it being in here.

 

[barnswallow]

Yes, you're right, the thread morphed. Without saying so out loud, posting incidents of 'on Black violence' on this OP felt appropriate, since those are partially what cause people to put out BLM signs. The pictures of the BLM signs actually provide a counter to the incidents.

My post above? It's not really relevant here.

On the other site, kingbad called for a separate forum for issues related to... I can't quite remember his suggestion precisely... race-related issues? I think my post above could be better somewhere else. Maybe, move it to 'general discussion'.

I didn't intend the impression of post #23 to be about data mining, even though I ended with that. In #23, I am interested in how a media empire manipulates, in this case using race, to earn money, unmoored to any moral/ethical bedrock. I'm interested in Fox Media (or whatever the umbrella organization is called) employing chameleon tactics to attempt to, on the one hand, paint themselves with a broad brush, inclusive, liberal character while, on their Fox News site, willingly playing the race card.

I consider Fox News and the other news sites owned by the Murdochs, to be the foundation of what that empire is and any Fox subsidiaries/offshoots as money-grabbing tentacles from the octopus' head. The sharp, parrot-like beak on the underside of the animal, the thing you can't see when watching Fox Soul, is what grabs my attention (no offense to octopi, just a useful metaphor). The overall conglomerate wants it any which way that yields financial gain. They operate, not from an ethical standpoint, but from a capitalist mindset. They open a subsidiary media outlet to make money off interest in Black artists and, by consuming that, we participate in the hypocrisy and add to the power of that media empire. As consumers, we have power and we abuse it when we partake of anything Fox, if we find the Murdochs abhorrent, which I do. How do we exercise our consumer power with regard to Fox Soul?

Correct me if I'm wrong about this: The next time there's an incident involving race-based police violence, Fox News will be out front supporting the police and condemning those demonstrations that cry out against police malfeasance and the need for reforms. Fox News will support the concept of good people on both sides when white supremacists stage demonstrations, and will equivocate when vehicular homicide is carried out against counter-protesters. Or, Fox will downplay incidents when senior protestors have their heads knocked open against conical, stone traffic barriers by a phalanx of advancing police. Similarly, I imagine, Fox misrepresented the Navy veteran, who, enraged by the sight of federal officers on the scene in Portland, felt compelled to demonstrate and peacefully approached an officer to ask what they were doing there, violating their oath of office. I imagine Fox downplayed the federal police response, which was to pepper-spray and beat him, breaking his hand. Etcetera, etc., etc. Fox News will grab onto any looting or rioting associated with peaceful demonstrations against police violence and exaggerate it to color the whole movement with the 'lawless' brush.

The purpose of my post was to ask, "Is it ok to partake in Fox Soul media content when Fox News, a propaganda site, has played a pivotal role in the events of the last four years and aids in perverting the public mindset and panders to authoritarianism?" More specific to this thread, "Is it ok to partake in Fox Soul, when Fox media actively acts counter to issues important to BLM?"

 

[poppy]

Yes, you're right, the thread morphed. Without saying so out loud, posting incidents of 'on Black violence' on this OP felt appropriate, since those are partially what cause people to put out BLM signs. The pictures of the BLM signs actually provide a counter to the incidents.

My post above? It's not really relevant here.

On the other site, kingbad called for a separate forum for issues related to... I can't quite remember his suggestion precisely... race-related issues? I think my post above could be better somewhere else. Maybe, move it to 'general discussion'.

I didn't intend the impression of post #23 to be about data mining, even though I ended with that. In #23, I am interested in how a media empire manipulates, in this case using race, to earn money, unmoored to any moral/ethical bedrock. I'm interested in Fox Media (or whatever the umbrella organization is called) employing chameleon tactics to attempt to, on the one hand, paint themselves with a broad brush, inclusive, liberal character while, on their Fox News site, willingly playing the race card.

I consider Fox News and the other news sites owned by the Murdochs, to be the foundation of what that empire is and any Fox subsidiaries/offshoots as money-grabbing tentacles from the octopus' head. The sharp, parrot-like beak on the underside of the animal, the thing you can't see when watching Fox Soul, is what grabs my attention (no offense to octopi, just a useful metaphor). The overall conglomerate wants it any which way that yields financial gain. They operate, not from an ethical standpoint, but from a capitalist mindset. They open a subsidiary media outlet to make money off interest in Black artists and, by consuming that, we participate in the hypocrisy and add to the power of that media empire. As consumers, we have power and we abuse it when we partake of anything Fox, if we find the Murdochs abhorrent, which I do. How do we exercise our consumer power with regard to Fox Soul?

Correct me if I'm wrong about this: The next time there's an incident involving race-based police violence, Fox News will be out front supporting the police and condemning those demonstrations that cry out against police malfeasance and the need for reforms. Fox News will support the concept of good people on both sides when white supremacists stage demonstrations, and will equivocate when vehicular homicide is carried out against counter-protesters. Or, Fox will downplay incidents when senior protestors have their heads knocked open against conical, stone traffic barriers by a phalanx of advancing police. Similarly, I imagine, Fox misrepresented the Navy veteran, who, enraged by the sight of federal officers on the scene in Portland, felt compelled to demonstrate and peacefully approached an officer to ask what they were doing there, violating their oath of office. I imagine Fox downplayed the federal police response, which was to pepper-spray and beat him, breaking his hand. Etcetera, etc., etc. Fox News will grab onto any looting or rioting associated with peaceful demonstrations against police violence and exaggerate it to color the whole movement with the 'lawless' brush.

The purpose of my post was to ask, "Is it ok to partake in Fox Soul media content when Fox News, a propaganda site, has played a pivotal role in the events of the last four years and aids in perverting the public mindset and panders to authoritarianism?" More specific to this thread, "Is it ok to partake in Fox Soul, when Fox media actively acts counter to issues important to BLM?"

I think it's fine, anyone can can weigh in who wants. Disagreement is part of debate. As far as news feeds go, I'm an omnivore, not signed up for any specific feeds and not on FB/twitter by choice. It's still pretty easy to "follow" anyway.

The thread was going to morph, the impetus for the BLM signs. No reason to sugarcoat, it's a US problem, and US shame. It's important to keep listing these murders above all else. They have not stopped and are more senseless than ever, so it needs to be here and updated. This is not going away anytime soon, unfortunately.

I'm thankful on PurpleandBlack we can HAVE a Black Lives Matter thread w/o it getting attacked, snipped, and killed off.

 

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Second officer at Andre Hill shooting gives account of incident​

The Columbus Dispatch http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/BB1cjV47?ocid=sf

The second officer who responded to the non-emergency call that ended with the fatal shooting of an unarmed Black man told investigators that Officer Adam Coy yelled that he saw a weapon in Andre Hill's hand before she heard gunfire. That officer did not see a weapon...

...Coy was fired Monday by the city's public safety director who concluded that the facts in the case "do not establish that this use of deadly force was objectively reasonable." Director Ned Pettus said Coy violated the police division's use-of-force policy, failed to render aid to Hill after the shooting, and failed to activate his body camera while on the call for service.

Coy shot Hill 4 times. He was taken off duty with pay, and now fired. But no charges so far for any of the officers involved.

 

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Tamir Rice’s mother angered after federal investigation ends with no charges against police officers: The Wake Up for Wednesday, Dec. 30, 2020​

Tamir Rice: The Justice Department on Tuesday officially closed the investigation into the 2014 police shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, declaring there was insufficient evidence to charge the officers involved in the boy’s death. The lack of charges angered the boy’s mother, Samaria Rice. “It’s a horrible feeling,” she tells John Caniglia. “It really is. It continues to show how broken the system is.” The release comes a month after Samaria Rice and attorneys for her family sharply criticized Justice Department officials and demanded to know why they failed to convene a grand jury.

© Lynn Ischay, Plain Dealer file photo/cleveland.com/TNS In a recent interview, Samaria Rice shared her heartache of the past five years, since a Cleveland police officer fatally shot her 12-year-old son, Tamir.

 

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How the Police Killed Breonna Taylor | Visual Investigations - YouTube


The New York Times

None of the police officers who raided Breonna Taylor’s home wore body cameras, impeding the public from a full understanding of what happened. The Times’s visual investigation team built a 3-D model of the scene and pieced together critical sequences of events to show how poor planning and shoddy police work led to a fatal outcome.

I haven't watched this, I have to be ready and prepare myself mentally to watch it, if at all.

 

[barnswallow]

I saw that headline on the NY Times site also and couldn't bring myself to open it. The lead-in (that brief snippet that shows the first moments of a larger more elaborate graphic or video) had lines, emanating from points around the house, representing bullet trajectories. They were coming from every which-way and criss-crossed the house floorplan, covering nearly every inch. It was difficult to see that alone, without opening the link.

 

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Jazz Musician Keyon Harrold's Son Falsely Accused of Theft in SoHo Hotel - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

On Saturday afternoon, Keyon Harrold, a prominent jazz musician, and his 14-year-old son walked into the lobby of the Arlo, a boutique hotel in SoHo where they were staying, when they were accosted by a woman they had never seen before.

The woman falsely accused the teenager of taking her cellphone and demanded that he give it back. Tensions escalated, with the woman insisting that the teenager had the phone, yelling at him and eventually tackling him and trying to look in his pockets before they could be separated, Mr. Harrold said. cont...

 

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No Charges Against Kenosha Officer in Jacob Blake Shooting - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

KENOSHA, Wis. — A prosecutor in Kenosha, Wis., has declined to bring charges against Rusten Sheskey, the police officer who shot Jacob Blake outside an apartment building in August, an episode that sparked protests and rioting and made the city an instant flash point in a summer of unrest that began with the killing of George Floyd.

The decision was announced on Tuesday by Michael Graveley, the Kenosha County district attorney, who said that investigators had reviewed 40 hours of video and hundreds of pages of police reports.

A lawyer for Mr. Blake’s family expressed “immense disappointment” in the announcement. “This decision failed not only Jacob and his family but the community that protested and demanded justice,” the lawyer, Ben Crump, wrote on Twitter.

 

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Jazz Musician Keyon Harrold's Son Falsely Accused of Theft in SoHo Hotel - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

On Saturday afternoon, Keyon Harrold, a prominent jazz musician, and his 14-year-old son walked into the lobby of the Arlo, a boutique hotel in SoHo where they were staying, when they were accosted by a woman they had never seen before.

The woman falsely accused the teenager of taking her cellphone and demanded that he give it back. Tensions escalated, with the woman insisting that the teenager had the phone, yelling at him and eventually tackling him and trying to look in his pockets before they could be separated, Mr. Harrold said. cont...

That incident was horrible. I have a teenage son, and I would HOPE that I would be as restrained as that father was if I was in this situation...But I suspect I may not have been

 

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That incident was horrible. I have a teenage son, and I would HOPE that I would be as restrained as that father was if I was in this situation...But I suspect I may not have been

I would not blame you, that horrible bitch. The concierge kid the hotel sent to handle it was a complete douche too. Asked to see the kid's phone.

 

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2 detectives involved in Breonna Taylor's death are fired (apnews.com)

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Two more officers involved in the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor have been fired — a detective believed to have fired the fatal shot and another who sought the search warrant that led to the deadly raid, authorities announced Wednesday...

Detectives Myles Cosgrove, who shot Taylor, and Joshua Jaynes, who sought the warrant for the March 13 drug raid, were informed of their firings on Tuesday. Their dismissals follow that of officer Brett Hankison, who was fired in September after being indicted by a grand jury on charges of endangering Taylor’s neighbors by firing bullets that went through her home and into an adjacent apartment...

 

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Ohio Police Officer Charged With Murder In Andre Hill Case : NPR

Former Columbus Police Officer Adam Coy was indicted on a murder charge by a Franklin County grand jury following an investigation by the Ohio Attorney General's office. The charges faced by Coy, a 19-year veteran of the force, also include failure to use his body camera and failure to tell the other officer he believed Hill presented a danger.

Coy will plead not guilty to the charges, his attorney, Mark Collins, said Wednesday night.

 

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Ohio Police Officer Charged With Murder In Andre Hill Case : NPR

Former Columbus Police Officer Adam Coy was indicted on a murder charge by a Franklin County grand jury following an investigation by the Ohio Attorney General's office. The charges faced by Coy, a 19-year veteran of the force, also include failure to use his body camera and failure to tell the other officer he believed Hill presented a danger.

Coy will plead not guilty to the charges, his attorney, Mark Collins, said Wednesday night.

I can't say, may he rip. I mean, I wish I could. No justice, no peace. Even with justice...
Whenever I read about police handcuffing individuals who are dying, I feel my facial expression go into an involuntary contortion, one of disgust and horror. In what recess have these officers hidden any fundamental sense of decency they might possess?

In the moments after Hill was fatally shot, additional bodycam footage shows two other Columbus officers rolled Hill over and put handcuffs on him before leaving him alone again. None of them, according to the footage released, offered any first aid even though Hill was barely moving, groaning and bleeding while laying on the garage floor.

They must have known their bodycams were running. Does their inhumanity result from having 'run over in their minds/been trained/agreed with each other' how to behave in these situations, so as not to display any possibility that they realize they might have done something wrong, i.e. the legal ramifications foremost in their minds prevent them from displaying any compassion as it would hurt their case if they go to court? By doing nothing to aid or comfort a dying man, they maintain the illusion that they thought he was a criminal throughout, even to the point of appearing brutish and stupid at the absurdity of that position when someone comes out of the house and says,

An unidentified woman comes out of the home and tells police, "He was bringing me Christmas money! He didn't do anything."

That's from another article (CNN, 12.31.20):
Andre Hill's friend told police he was just dropping off 'Christmas money' when he was shot, new body camera footage shows
What with everything that's been going on, I missed this yet further atrocity and only read poppy's post today.
Now, I'm contemplating how these events are politicized. Any suggestion that police need extensive reforms/attitude readjustments receive a battering from the gop/far right/(or whatever entity), especially when unfortunate, readily-exploitable statements like 'de-fund the police' all but negate the issue when nefarious racist actors claim 'dems/the left/concerned citizens' are enemies of policing in any form. It's a hard nut to crack but light is shining on this dark, evil place and I take some hope that it's possible that the rising political hostility from the 'present-day gop/right/entrenched evil' means the very kernel is finally, maybe, ready to split apart.

ugh. Contrast this with the riot, besieging of the Capitol on 6 January, where the mob carried 'police' flags (those american flags in black with one blue stripe) at the same time as they were beating and murdering the Capitol police. Such arrogance.

I hope this new administration will bring back the banished efforts begun by Obama and Attorney Generals Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch: the policy called DOJ consent decrees. Merrick Garland has a lot on his plate. I can't believe i'm about to link to a fox news article (date 12.30.20).
Biden to use DOJ to crack down on police departments engaged in 'systemic misconduct' To get a sense of the flavor, I started to look at the comments below the article. Nope. Maybe later.

 

[barnswallow]

Actually, I came over to this thread today because I saw these tweets yesterday:



Here's a link showing the statement made by the nephew of Wood. In the clip, he is brave and concerned and committed to drawing a direct line between J. Edgar Hoover's policies then and the situation we are in today:
New allegations in Malcolm X assassination
A little about Hoover, since maybe others are unaware of who he was and his policies, as I was... and remain.

In the statement, Wood's nephew mentions the individuals who were accused of killing Malcolm X... people who were members of the Nation of Islam. I've read the 'Autobiography of Malcolm X'. It's really worth reading, if you haven't read it. It was co-authored by Alex Haley, the author of 'Roots'. In the end, he speaks of what it was like to work with Malcolm X. Anyway, the complicated history Malcolm X had with the Nation of Islam is important to understanding the situation of Malcolm X's death. I guess, that the NYPD and the FBI worked to exacerbate the resentments in order to bring about the assassination. Is that correct? Anyone?

 

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Tamir Rice’s mother angered after federal investigation ends with no charges against police officers: The Wake Up for Wednesday, Dec. 30, 2020​

Tamir Rice: The Justice Department on Tuesday officially closed the investigation into the 2014 police shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, declaring there was insufficient evidence to charge the officers involved in the boy’s death. The lack of charges angered the boy’s mother, Samaria Rice. “It’s a horrible feeling,” she tells John Caniglia. “It really is. It continues to show how broken the system is.” The release comes a month after Samaria Rice and attorneys for her family sharply criticized Justice Department officials and demanded to know why they failed to convene a grand jury.

© Lynn Ischay, Plain Dealer file photo/cleveland.com/TNS In a recent interview, Samaria Rice shared her heartache of the past five years, since a Cleveland police officer fatally shot her 12-year-old son, Tamir.

Murder most foul. Honest to God.

 

[poppy]

Actually, I came over to this thread today because I saw these tweets yesterday:
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Here's a link showing the statement made by the nephew of Wood. In the clip, he is brave and concerned and committed to drawing a direct line between J. Edgar Hoover's policies then and the situation we are in today:
New allegations in Malcolm X assassination
A little about Hoover, since maybe others are unaware of who he was and his policies, as I was... and remain.
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In the statement, Wood's nephew mentions the individuals who were accused of killing Malcolm X... people who were members of the Nation of Islam. I've read the 'Autobiography of Malcolm X'. It's really worth reading, if you haven't read it. It was co-authored by Alex Haley, the author of 'Roots'. In the end, he speaks of what it was like to work with Malcolm X. Anyway, the complicated history Malcolm X had with the Nation of Islam is important to understanding the situation of Malcolm X's death. I guess, that the NYPD and the FBI worked to exacerbate the resentments in order to bring about the assassination. Is that correct? Anyone?

I read it as a teenager. Agree, it's a great book. I should read it again.